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This new Singed PBE thing is totally useless

Hi,

i posted this message some weeks ago but it looked like noone understood why i was angry about this change. I hope i found a better explanantion now. Iam a Singed main (~ Platin) with 800-1000 games.

Now i found this Video here and its the perfect example why i think this new mechanic is totally shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zook75P_JWI

So Riot wants us to do this: Setup his adhesive, fling enemie into it. But its really really really scripted and not "playable" in 99% of his games.

Actually i would like it like this: throw adhesive behind adc, run towards him, when adc leaves the adhesive you throw him in again, you land the root, after the root he need to escape the adhesive... (cc'ed for like 10 seconds) but adhesive doesnt last this long. So this play is impossible

I need to choose: setup this mechanic and land a root or just slow the enemie and fling him towards my team. Guess what i choose? NOT the new mechanic, because when you fail this thing (which is quite common right now because fling is bugged like hell), you put your W on a useless place and flinged adc somewhere else, no slow, nothing. It is easier, and actually better NOT to land his root in this way and just play normal like always.

What i think will be the most common play with this new mechanic: Put adhesive into enemies, run to adc (he is behind the adhesive, or flashes out of it), fling him towards your team, land the root, your team focus adc, adc dead. Sounds good right?

now i want to compare it to common singed play without this new update: Put adhesive into enemies, run to adc, fling him towards your team, everyone focus him down, adc dead.

Its the same. You dont need a root because your team will kill the adc anyways, if you fling him into your team. So riot gave singed players a "win more button". Singed dont need this root to win the game, because when i can fling the adc into my team, the teamfight IS won. I dont care about the root or not, because my team doesnt care about it too...

TL;DR: this new mechanic is useless, its hard to setup and the setup is really bad. There are better ways to use your adhesive, the only GOOD play with this mechanic is impossible because adhesive doesnt last this long, and your root is just a "win-more-button".

There are BETTER ways to buff singed:

  • Give him tenacity on his ult back

  • Let his AA "restack" the poison (you have 3 ticks again)

  • Give him tenacity/movementspeed when he runs away from someone

  • his adhesive applies his poison, or doubles it when the enemie stands in it

  • if you really want to improve Singed's laning give him 1 DMG on his W, so he can stop backports. (this would be lane breaker and the best buff possible)

  • Let him apply poison on his AA's

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level 1
4 points · 4 years ago

So what? It's a tiny change that gives a small extra buff to Singed. What's the downside?

It's like people complaining about Gangplank's Ult change - that it wasn't the change he needed. Well no it isn't, but then Riot stated GP's rework is ongoing, but hell, no reason not to give him the freebie.

level 2
5 points · 4 years ago

He is complaining about the fact that this buff isn't a buff at all and that it is in fact kinda useless . If they are going to buff Singed then it's important that the buff does improve him thus he actually made a valid point . He wants his favorite champion to be stronger .

level 3

Sure, that's fine. But I don't think anyone at Riot is under the illusion that this was going to be a significant change in Singed's power level.

level 4
Original Poster3 points · 4 years ago

i think they are under this illusion...

i mean why would you "buff" a champion with something that is not in use? Riot has so much work to do on every champion, items etc and they waste their time with such a useless buff to a champion...

in fact they believe in their things, but its riot... the first impression is always "hm ok". The second is "wow actually this sounds cool" ... but only in the third impression you will get the real point "actually this is really really shitty and does not work"

like division and this league system ;)

level 5
2 points · 4 years ago

The idea to buff singed is surely welcome but this kind of root is non-consistent with his playstyle. AT LEAST lets make it like the new soraka zone of silence.

-- If the targets doesn't leave the area in 1.5 sec the target/s are rooted. --

With rylais and a bit of luck his adhesive could bring more utility and not being too powerful. As soraka's one

level 6
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

so you think too that this buff is complelty unnecessary und stupid?

there are so much other ways of buffing singed in a fitting way, but riot does this shitty thing :S

level 7
2 points · 4 years ago · edited 4 years ago

The buff itself is welcome, but it works only on paper. In a game it simply does not offer utility, as op clearly explained.
When I think about adhesive I think about something that blocks me, roots me. Not just slowing. If singed uses his adhesive on a fleeing target, if he is hit and can run out of it in a small amount of time, then let him be just slowed. But, for consistency, if I am stuck (I can't escape in time the adhesive area) I think is logic to expect the target to be stuck

I propose this.

Adhesive slows champions who are in the area of effect. If they are still within that area after X seconds they are stuck (rooted).

If I am far away my ability will only be to slow with my adhesive. If I'm near the target I can choose

1 to fling him immediately (with added fling distance)

2 to stuck him on the adhesive area( because it was on top of his pathing) and maybe have a reduced fling effect.

level 2
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

t's like people complaining about Gangplank's Ult change - that it wasn't the change he needed. Well no it isn't, but then Riot stated GP's rework is ongoing, but hell, no reason not to give him the freebie.

the problem is this will be the last "gamechaning" buff to singed for a long time ... i want something usefull and not something that doesnt exist in a normal singed play

level 2
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

its a tiny change, but it will be the last change for a long long time. It is so damn tiny you cant see it.

You cant compare this buff to gp. Because GP WILL use his ult alot.

A Singed player wont use this buff in any way

level 1

As a Singed main myself i tried too wrap my head around this myself.

Let me throw the adhesive behind me then nonchalantly walk up to you and fling you into it.

I use W too catch people it possible too maybe fling em back in it but even then with time limits it is unlikely.

I guess Riot is trying at least.

level 2
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

thats what i dont like ... "they try" ... but nothing else :s

level 1
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2 points · 4 years ago

Your suggestions sound like pretty good buff to his kit. Thats why they wont do it, Singed is frustrating enough

level 2
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

Riot doesnt think like this. They are buffing him, because they want to see some play on this champ.

level 1

its quite useful, not completely gamechanging but adds a little depth.

main uses: bush jukes and engaging on enemyteam and preventing flash on one target

level 1

I thought this change to Singed was a bit misguided/strange when I first saw it, there are better ways to buff him like you said.

level 2
Original Poster0 points · 4 years ago

yes ... a root doesnt fit into his "slow mechanics"

level 1
2 points · 4 years ago · edited 4 years ago

As a Diamond Singed Main with over 500 games this season I gotta say that this "buff" is basically just riot saying:

"It was false to remove the tenacity from his ult and nerfing his e spell (base dmg and ap scaling !) but since we cant simply give him this back because its kinda strange we just give him this"

I mean the bonus stats on his rank 3 ult are ok and i take it but this snare when u flip someone into the glue for 1 sec is just a joke. As it was already said it doenst help that much in teamfights and even if u would skill the glue at lvl 4 (most do at 8, shy did even at 13 sometimes) u do this combo one time in lane and ure oom for a 1 sec snare bonus.

Its not even that he was so super op and a must pick or ban every game before his changes. But the Fling Nerf was huge since u cant really trade anymore in lane and the tenacity nerf was also hard because singed is one of the only tanks/bruisers that doesnt have a gap closer. Garen and Mundo are two tanks that have no real gapcloser but they atleast get tenacity mundo can activate it even forever and singed's got removed.

Just compare this two champions: Mundo has no mana problems, mundo can last hit with his q spell super save, mundo regens more hp and gets more movespeed from his ult (has a lower cd also), mundo gets tenacity. The only thing that singed is better in is in his overall utility for teamfights (but not his tankiness) and his proxy farm (not even relevant).

I dont really think that singed becomes a real threat in the next season

level 2
Original Poster0 points · 4 years ago

thats riot :s

level 1

100% agree

level 1

I actually think this does give a much needed buff to Singed. You should be able to outrun the enemy team with mspeed items, ult and boots anyway. So as you engage, fling \ adhesive someone

It gives him a combo, innit?

level 2
Original Poster1 point · 4 years ago

ctual

you wont use the combo like i said in a normal game

level 3

Have you tested this on PBE?

level 4
Original Poster-1 points · 4 years ago

no, but i played singed for such a long time, i know when something is usefull or not on him.

Read my post again, i explained everything

level 5
-1 points · 4 years ago

How about you wait and test it out before you spill your absolute knowledge of a champion on the internet then?

This isn't the only change in store for him

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