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Thoughtful Thursday - 2019
All Thoughtful Thursday threads for 2019.
Thoughtful Thursday! (No stupid questions) - January 03, 2019
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Thoughtful Thursday! (No stupid questions) - January 31, 2019
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Thoughtful Thursday! - February 14, 2019
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Thoughtful Thursday! - February 28, 2019
Thoughtful Thursday! - March 7, 2019
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Thoughtful Thursday! - February 28, 2019

Welcome to this week's Thoughtful Thursday thread! Also known as "No Stupid Questions"

Thoughtful Thursday - a post idea by u/davidgillilandfan38 for all fans to ask whatever NASCAR-related question they want answered in hopes to get an explanation for something they've been unsure of. No question is too stupid! Want to know why the cars drive left around ovals instead of right or why the cars don't have headlights (they're just stickers!)? Or maybe you want to know something more technical that someone with more experience might know? This thread is for you! Ask below!

Serious answers only, please!

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With the popularity of Bristol at the peak of NASCAR's popularity in the late 90s and early 2000s, why didn't anyone take advantage of the Bristol stadium model? We had so many new tracks around that time and they all resembled each other at the 1.5 distance mark. It's surprising that no one else tried to create a Bristol.

level 2
7 points · 2 months ago

The 1.5mi triovals are designed with great sight lines in mind, so that's really not a huge issue. The 1.5mi tracks put on the best pure spectacle for a single car run in stock car racing, because it mixes high speeds with tough handling demands. If you've ever watched a race live at an intermediate track, the cars look like there's no way they can make the corner slipping and sliding, yawed out the whole time.

The problem is that once you start putting 40 cars out there, the turbulence hurts the racing as a whole. But if you wanted to build a track that really shows off the capabilities of the cars with good sightlines, a 1.5mi trioval was the way to go.

level 3

The 1.5 mile tracks are also able to host both stock car and IndyCar events, which short tracks can't do.

level 4

In addition to crappy road courses inside of the oval, which made up a surprising amount of the Grand Am and ALMS schedules at the time. The larger ovals could net you NASCAR x3, grand am, alms, cart & indycar is you we’re lucky. A short track wasn’t going to do that.

level 3

That mindset is where NASCAR went wrong. I go to Texas, Chicago and Kansas somewhat frequently. Iowa Speedway floors the rest of them as far as fan experience.

Stock cars shouldn't amaze us in a straight line. They're stock cars. They're technically supposed to be high horsepower versions of what we drive to the grocery store. There is literally nothing interesting to the average person about a stock car going 200 into turn one at Kansas. Short tracks? Everyone can relate to the technique and emotion involved.

level 2
4 points · 2 months ago

I might be wrong, but I think Martinsville had something like this in their sites. As a matter of fact, the railroad tracks used to be basically right next to the track. I can't remember when but they were moved, possibly with the intention of building stands on the back straightaway. The attendance numbers went down before they built them.

level 1
4 points · 2 months ago

For the west coast swing, are teams shuffling cars from out west to back east and then replacements back again? Or do they generally haul all the cars out west on the front end? I assume they'll run slightly different packages for the three races chassis wise and the higher echelon teams won't use the same car for all 3 tracks.

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Monster Energy Series
13 points · 2 months ago
level 2
3 points · 2 months ago · edited 2 months ago

So for the beginning of the westcoat swing, as I understand it, they have a short week of preparation after Atlanta. Beginning the westcoat swing they alternate car carriers to each track so that there isn't a ridiculous amount of runs being made on one carrier or truck driver. So the Las Vegas transporter brings the cars to track, stays in LV, then heads back to the shop to pick up the cars for Auto Club, while another hauler prepares to take the cars to Phoenix in the middle of thoe two races. It makes it a lot harder for backup cars to be transported to the track if need be (though that's rarely the case) but it keeps things a bit more manageable for the teams with the amount of mileage being pulled.

That's how it had been explained to me previously, anyways.

Edit: Actually they apparently meet out in the middle of the country somewhere to swap out cars, with one hauler staying west and one headed to the shop.

level 1
  1. Who pays the crew members? Does it come from the race winnings, contracts with predetermined payouts and bonuses from the race winnings? Do sponsorship contracts that the drivers sign extend to the crew members?

  2. When do the drivers get paid from the race winnings? Like when would Brad recieve his race winnings from this weekend's race

level 2

Former crew member here. A lot has changed since I was involved but I had a base pay for my shop work, another separate pay for being on the pit crew and we would get a bonus for wins and the occasional bonus for t shirt sales. Hope that helps out!

level 3

If you dont mind me asking, when were you a crew member? And roughly what percent of pit crew members have a shop job these days?

level 4

I was on a small time xfinity team from 2005-2009. I also did some side stuff for Roush and a few others. I’m not sure what the number for that is today but it seems to me they have gone away from using shop guys and leaned in the direction of using more serious athletes. It was beginning to happen back in my time as well. When Red Bull racing came along, I went to a try out there just to see what they were doing and I was definitely not at the level of the guys they had going there. Lots of college athletes who didn’t pro deals and such. I’m glad I got to do it when I did because I’m sure I wouldn’t make the cut these days!

level 2

I'm sure things have changed but I remember Liz Allison posted Davey's old RYR contract and someone shared it here a few months back. I think it was 250-275k salary along with a percentage of winnings.

level 2
2018 MENCS Champion Joey Logano
2 points · 2 months ago

I’d say the charter system completely changed the process but I believe the owner receives the winnings and distributes them accordingly. Contracts I’m sure have a lot to do with it. Perhaps the race winnings are thrown into “bonus” payouts to the team employees?

level 1

Does Nascar ever consult the drivers before making a big rule package change? Like do they actually get any input as to what the drivers want or need or do they just slap new rules on them?

level 2

They get a lot of input from drivers and teams primarily via the drivers council and RTA.

level 1
3 points · 2 months ago

How are the race lengths figured? With many races reduced to 400 miles, how did they decide which to keep at 500 (like Atlanta)?

level 2
Monster Energy Series
7 points · 2 months ago

No one has really dropped by much recently other than Pocono. All others are similar to where they’ve always been.

level 3

No one has really dropped by much recently other than Pocono.


level 4
Monster Energy Series
4 points · 2 months ago

Fontana was 2010 and Pocono was 2012. Time flies. Not sure about any others.

level 5
Kyle Busch
2 points · 2 months ago

Dover went from 500 laps/miles to 400 laps/miles in 1997. Rockingham went from 500 miles to 400 miles in 1996.

level 1
Kyle Busch
3 points · 2 months ago

What, if any, are the general pitting strategies?

"Learn the rules first, then break them".

In the spirit of this quote, I'm just wanting to learn the basic fundamental pit strategies to look for as I'm sure the real answer is: it depends on the track, the weather, etc....

BUT are there any rules of thumb I can be on the lookout for as a new fan to get me started?

level 2
2 points · 2 months ago

I think it's hard to come up with general strategies, because it varies so much on the track and situation. Some tracks are so abrasive that it makes tire wear so high that you pretty much always want to take 4 tires when you pit. Some tracks wear out the tires less, and you might want to take two but maybe a good scenario never presents itself.

I feel that it takes a bit of time to get the feel of what a good strategy will be. But sometimes it's dependent on what the competitors do. Your car will be faster if you change 4 tires, so you think 4 is the way to go. If only 1-3 competitors take 2 tires or fuel only, then you're in great shape. But if 3 guys stay out, 4 get fuel only, and 7 get two tires, you might be in trouble.

I guess the most general one I can think of is if you're at the end of a fuel run, you're pitting under green, and it's not too close to the end of the race, you pretty much always want 4 tires. Exception might be Daytona/Talladega since the cars are so much closer.

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