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The Morning After | Coyotes v. Oilers

This is a thread for general discussion about yesterday's game. Any and all observations, opinions, questions, shitposts, memes, and other random nonsense are welcome.

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2 SEKERA9 points · 2 months ago

The way gagner played last night has me firmly convinced that we won that trade. Great leader, played tough, created chances. Not 100% sold on Keith Gretz as a full time GM yet, but the man can certainly evaluate talent.

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56 YAMAMOTO3 points · 2 months ago

And is now on the fourth line after 2 great games

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I cant believe we are only 3 games out. The west is terrible this year. Calgary is going to the finals so brace for that.

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No they are fluke, their goalies suck and they are due to come back down to earth if you look at the analyticals.

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5 SMID5 points · 2 months ago

West is too tough to say especially with Calgary’s subpar goaltending.

I could see SJ/WPG/NSH bouncing them easily

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54 KHAIRA6 points · 2 months ago

I think San Jose might have something to say about that. Also if SJ eliminates the flames then I can delude myself into thinking that since we eliminated them two years ago, if they eliminate Calgary, we are better than Calgary. Then again maybe I just shouldn't invest in this team so much.

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56 YAMAMOTO6 points · 2 months ago

Good news guys! Mcdavid is out next game as well according to current lines.

Sam has been put on the fourth line!

GOOD WORK HITCH!

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98 PULJUJARVI1 point · 2 months ago

Sick. Thank god I can’t afford to blow more $ on tix to see the oil lose at home. Last night sucked.

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39 NILSSON3 points · 2 months ago

I expect nothing, and I’m still let down.

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8 RATTIE14 points · 2 months ago

Idk if it's just me but McDavid didn't play well last night. Talk about being invisible on the ice. I don't think I saw the guy make even one good play... He needs to be better next game imo

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97 MCDAVID1 point · 2 months ago

Time to cut him loose. Dead weight

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Was this another "must win game"?

I did not watch the game but how did we lose to Coyotes?

Didn't they play a back to back in Calgary the night before? And I'm pretty sure they are missing like 10+ regular skaters due to injury.

This season and franchise is so sad and terrible I want them to do well but at this point nothing is trending in the right direction for anyone to believe they will succeed and become competitive.

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2 points · 2 months ago

What do you mean? We lost to them last time we played them too, and they were just as injured. A lot of teams are losing to them. They're a decent team, and it was a 3-2 shootout win. Close as it gets.

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But we won against them already this season so by that logic we should have won. Btw it was a 3-2 s.o loss for us and a win for them

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1 point · 2 months ago

Yes, and the shootout is a crapshoot. Oilers could have won the game. It was close.

There's really nothing to wonder about. Oilers lost a close game to a decent team. I know you want to be all emo about it, but if you're paying any attention, they're a decent team, the Oilers are about the same level, and it was a close game.

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Sure it was a close game.

And I'll even agree with you the Yotes are a decent team with all their injuries. BUT with Mcdavid out, Khaira, Benning and JP. Why should it be such a close game? The Oilers iced close to their full line up I know I know 97 isn't there but if we are barely getting by the fact that you aren't worried makes me worried that you don't see anything wrong!

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1 point · 2 months ago

I don't really know what you're getting at. Are you under the impression that the Oilers are objectively better than any other team in the league?

There is no expectation they'll win any game against any team, and it's been that way for decades. Nobody should ever be saying anything like, "oh we should win this one because <insert some reason here>". The Oilers need to scrap and fight to win.

And it's not just the Oilers. MOST teams are like this. Arizona is like this. They scraped out a win last night. They're scraping out a few more wins. Virtually 90% of the league is like this. This is what parity looks like.

Is it a problem that the Oilers are losing a lot? Ya of course! Nobody likes that. But am I going to lose sleep over the Oilers actually putting up a very competitive effort (for the most part), and coming up a little short in the shootout? Why? Just because?

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Of course I'm not saying that the Oilers are better than the next team. In fact I'm saying the complete opposite!

The fact that we have 97, 29 and 93 makes this team bearable to watch. Can you imagine where they would be without Mcdavid and Draisaitl? Scary to think isn't it.

In today's league any team can beat any team. Having said that, the odds of one of the team winning is higher than the other. If the Oilers are put into a 7 games series with the Jets or lightning who would you have your money on?

Lets say scraping out a win is what most teams do, wasn't that what Chiarelli tried to do? He brought it heavier bodies but yet trader Caggiula one of the more peskier players. We've made the playoffs 1 out of 12 times in the recent years if we miss this year it'll be 1 /13 being scrappy 1 out of 13 years isn't enough. We are missing more.

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1 point · 2 months ago

I mean... I dunno man. Imagining this or that or the other. That's just... I get it, I get what you want to do, you're coming up with reasons to just say, "oh gosh, we're so awful, look at how awful it all is! It's all so unbearable". That's literally every Oilers fan in this sub, basically all the time.

But the Oilers didn't have McDavid the other night, and they did okay. They played okay. Ya, they lost, but they played okay, and it was a shootout loss.

That's not to say the team doesn't have issues, but what you're doing is coming to the conclusions first, then trying to find things to prove those conclusions.

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Edit. Just saw that Mcdavid was not playing last night. But he should not be the solution to the Oilers problem although it's a good place to start.

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29 DRAISAITL5 points · 2 months ago

Drai played very, very well.

Unfortunately some others didn't.

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17 KURRI2 points · 2 months ago

Sekera looked pretty good, so there's that.

that Cave kid also caught my eye, in a good way

Gagner looks like a solid 3c who can play PP if needed (which is where he should have always been slotted, back in theday)

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-19 points · 2 months ago(19 children)
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44 KASSIAN-1 points · 2 months ago

To me: that's Draisatl in a nutshell.

I wanna like Leon. I used to think he was the future. The first time I saw Leon play (vs NYR) I thought he was a revelation. He occupied the ice. He owned the corral. I haven't seen even flashes of that Draisatl in a long time. To my eyes, for the last couple years Draisatl has been virtually the same as Dustin Penner. A big guy with soft hands and a long reach who is adept at putting the puck in the net, but isn't interested in using his size to its best advantage. He's got skills, but he doesn't compete. Yet, while Penner was generally derided as a doughnut eating ploughboy who played below his weight class, Drai is praised, and praised, and praised. I don't get it.

Drai looks like he's half-asleep, wakes up when Connor has the puck, and then he loses interest when he doesn't. Every time the Oilers are being outworked in their own zone, I scan to see who is on the ice, and disappointingly often: it's Draisatl. His feet aren't moving, he coasts. He is consistently the weakest link in the defensive system. He turns the puck over, and doesn't take ownership of those mistakes. Yes, he's 5th in the leagues in goals, but his +/- is negative soooo... he's getting scored on a lot. And maybe McDavid would generates less points with somebody other than Drai, but McD's +/- is also south of zero... and my opinion is that it's because of Drai. During the vsNYI broadcast someone (probably Remenda) remarked that Draisatl was talking about how important the defensive game is to him... some blah blah blah about a goal of being a Selke award winner. I scoffed. Loudly. A Selke contender Draisatl would be amazing and I'd love to see that transformation, but right now I don't think Draisatl gives two shits about defence. I think the only reason he's talking about defence to media personalities is because Hitch and others are calling him to account for being irresponsible when the Oilers don't have the puck. At least, I hope he's being called to account, because Drai is a defensive liability.


He reminds me of that puck ragging stoner at a shinny game. He's not going to go get the puck, but he'll be ready to get the pass when his teammate gets it. He hangs around outside the scrum hoping the puck will land on his stick. He doesn't win puck battles; (he doesn't lose puck battles either... because he doesn't engage in puck battles). He doesn't set picks, he doesn't block shots, he doesn't park in the slot and screen tenders, he doesn't hustle. Way too often he's the last man back. He generates no passion on or off the ice. He is flummoxed by players with grit and tenacity. The NHL All-Star game is perfect for his attitude. If there was a hockey equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, he'd be a natural fit.

When he is afforded time and space he can be brilliant, like that pass to Nuge last night... but he is a ponderously slow thinker. He always seems to be waiting, and never hunting. So while every other player on the ice last night had the instinct to occupy the slot for the rebound, he just stood there and watched... because that's what he do.

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77 KLEFBOM3 points · 2 months ago

Dustin Penner scored more than 60 points one single time in his entire career whereas Draisaitl is on his 3rd year straight scoring over 70.

If you legitimately cannot see the difference between the two players you are a horrendous judge of player skill.

Ignoring the fact the +/- is utterly useless, do you know how many players we actually have that are above 0? Fucking one. Literally just Matt Benning, the entire rest of the team is in the negatives. Draisaitls -1 ties him for second on the team. McDavid is actually a -2.

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Thanks for the awesome response, and I agree with your central point. The thing I dislike most about Drai is his lack of consistent competitive spirit. He just so often appears to have no urgency on the ice, whether there's 1 period left or 10 seconds left.

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2 SEKERA1 point · 2 months ago

He made that one mistake that didn't cost us, yes, but had a great game otherwise. I think we can forgive him for that one.

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He did have a good game, which is all the more frustrating that he just seems to lack the killer instinct and urgency to try and close out the game in the dying seconds. Watch the play again and you will see every single Oiler crashing the net except for him. I'm not trying to nit pick too much, it just seems to resonate with a growing consensus around here that sometimes Drai appears to coast on his talent.

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2 SEKERA1 point · 2 months ago

If every other oiler was crashing then maybe he intentionally didn't crowd the net and wanted to give his guys a little more space to try and score on a rebound

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25 NURSE-4 points · 2 months ago

I see weak plays by Draisaitl pretty much every game. It's frustrating. He's not the only one but it's heavier weight on him from the fans due to his salary.

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29 DRAISAITL13 points · 2 months ago

And here we go again. Trying to make Drai the new whipping boy. This shit happened with Ebs too.

Fuck right off. Our star players aren't the problem. But this fan base seems to have people that need to blame the stars when things aren't going right. Take your fucking head out of your ass.

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-6 points · 2 months ago(0 children)
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11 points · 2 months ago

Not to pick on you, but this attitude really exemplifies everything that's wrong with the way the team's been managed:

The guy with 2 points on the scoresheet last night isn't the problem, no matter that he didn't "move his feet enough" or whatever. The problem is all the other talentless forwards who try hard but accomplish nothing.

Who gives a shit that he just stood around with 11 seconds to go in a game he dominated? He was probably gassed. I'm mad at every other dumb plug who moves their feet but accomplishes zilch. Points win games, not good intentions.

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-7 points · 2 months ago(0 children)
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6 LARSSON6 points · 2 months ago

You said it all my friend. It’s hilarious hearing someone chirp him for his laziness while he has 70 pts and is one of the very few bright spots on our team full of shit stains.

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When did I call him lazy or suggest he's not a superstar? I was talking about his lack of urgency in that particular moment.

level 5

The point is, of all things one could have noticed about the game this is the one you feel the need to bring up ? Really ? Wow.

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6 LARSSON4 points · 2 months ago

Lack of urgency == lazy? The point is that there are a lot of other oilers who are much more deserving of criticism over drai.

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I agree with you but it's helpful to pay closer attention to those players making over $8 million a year. Again, I'm only talking about that one play with 10 seconds left. If I was the coach, I'd certainly be upset watching Drai's play there.

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6 LARSSON2 points · 2 months ago

But why concern yourself with that single thing? Especially weighing in the fact that he played a great game AND they scored on the play to send it to OT. No one can play an absolutely perfect game, not even mcd.

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I dunno. I guess it's just interesting to see an $8.5 million player take himself out of the play in the last 10 seconds of a 1 goal game. No one is perfect, for sure... it just really stood out to me because of how visible that play was in the highlight reel.

You can watch it again for yourself here: https://www.nhl.com/video/nugent-hopkinss-clutch-tally/t-300063522/c-66045003

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93 NUGENT-HOPKINS8 points · 2 months ago

I ain't mad. Draisaitl showed up this game and did his part.

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98 PULJUJARVI14 points · 2 months ago

I remember like a month ago thinking 90 points would get us in the playoffs. Now it looks like around 82 points will get a team in the playoffs. And we can’t even keep pace with that.

I also remember last season thinking that it couldn’t get much worse and now we’re on pace for 74 points, less than last year’s 78. What a brutal collapse over the last two months. It’s just sad.

The roster isn’t very good but to actually win only 25% of games over a two month period is just horrific. That is a 40 point pace. Winning like 3-4 more games in the timespan would have had us right in the playoff hunt, and that still would have been last place quality hockey.

Sorry for the depressing post, just every time I look at how bad things have gotten, I’m actually amazed. Like it’s astounding to look at.

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